Taking her inspiration from the ‘moonshot’ programmes which successfully co-ordinated public and private sectors on a massive scale, Mariana Mazzucato calls for the same level of boldness and experimentation to be applied to the biggest problems of our time. We must, she argues, rethink the capacities and role of government within the economy and society, and above all recover a sense of public purpose.

Tom and I critique Mazzcuato’s views on how we might re-imagine the State. With Richard more sceptical of State-sponsored solutions and Tom with more social-democratic leanings, it makes for a fantastic conversation